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Jim: Any more questions on that? Go ahead.

Janne Robinson: Do you have to concentrate on it?

Jim: No.

Janne: I've been telling everybody about this for months, not knowing what I was talking about.

Telling them about it from an ( ). I'm telling them that if you pipe it into a classroom full of ADD children they wouldn't know they were being treated, is that true?

Jim It's possible, yes.

Guest Wouldn't that be cool?

Jim Yes. I have tried very hard to get this into the education system. Or work with psychologists and psychiatrists now with these kids. I have hit brick walls. Not something ....they either don't believe it....the first questions they ask me is "what is your Ph.D. in? " When I tell them I don't have a Ph.D. the room gets much colder. Then they say, "well what is your masters in? I tell them I have no degree in anything. They refuse to talk to me anymore. It's a very funny phenomenon , then the other...

Guest Who invented the kitchen?

Jim And then they say, "well, if this were possible I would have read about it in my ( ), whatever. I've had a terrible time getting it out ....I've had good luck with mother's that have kids that need help. It works extremely well. In almost every case. I've had very few cases where it did not work miraculously.

Guest What about alcohol?

Jim Yes. Program 52.

Guest I know it works for sleep.

Jim Well, sleeplessness is a very very difficult subject. Smaller segments. I had a medical doctor that I worked with in New Jersey. He was also an inventor and I did some electronic work for him. He had a ( ) that would help the heart pump. A counter pulsation device. We got to be good friends. He got a call one day, and he said to me "I've got to put this guy in the hospital. He needs detoxing and he is doing terribly. " And jokingly he said " Do you have any programs on your machine that will take your ( ) " And I said, "Sure, program 52.." He laughed, and says "You are kidding right?" And I said "no". So he bought the machine, sold it to his client. And said in the prescription that he wrote "Before you have a drink, listen to the synchronizer for 10 minutes." That was it. Nothing else. From that day forth this person never had a drink. We followed him for over 2 years. He stopped drinking instantly. Had no withdrawal symptoms. No DTs. None of the terrible things that happen. He instantly stopped. And then later we found out that he said the only reason he was drinking was because of his back pain. He said "Doc, any of the medication you gave me for the pain never really helped. The alcohol helped. I drank enough, I passed out, and I don't feel the pain." And what happened somehow, the synchronizer helped him with back pain, because it disappeared. And the only explanation I can give you from this, and by the way I am not a doctor, no medical training, and I don't know anything about medicine, but the only thing that I can guess might have happened is that he was very tight and very tense and he had something that was just very very tight and was squeezing some bones together and pinched some nerves possible which made it even harder. And if you can relax once, and let all that go, and the pinch disappears , the pain goes away and the pulsing ( ) goes away. That is my theory of how this works. We have had lots of people sitting on my couch listening to these sounds which I am going to play for you, and you can hear a noise that goes click and the back goes back into place. In minutes. So, but of course I can't make these claims.

Guest: Fine, what is the....to heredity and everything else you seek out that causes whatever is wrong with it. Have these ( ) that become ( ) or whatever and then...

Jim: Are you back on the alcohol?

Guest: Any of those things that they can see a strange pattern.

Jim: I love Edgar Cayce's quote. He says there is heredity, there is genetics, there is environment, there is karma. All these things are there but the mind is a builder. The mind can undo and overpower any of these other things.

Guest: So you see any thing to that effect like where there was a neuro pattern or whatever that was ( ) and then you xrayed it later and it was gone, or whatever?

Jim: No, no xrays.

Evelynn: I think I know what you are talking about. You are talking about the kind of a brain wave patterns that you see on a brain mapper or something like that, and would it change that?

Guest: I mean, we want proof!

Evelynn: It does have a brain mapper.

Jim: I've done a lot of brain research by the way. I have had to build my own equipment because what's on the market is not wide frequency enough. And yes, it is very measurable.

Guest: ....the people that ( ) the most.

Jim: Some people are really interested. Some people are just looking to counter it. I get a lot of, run into a lot of people who wouldn't believe it if it was right in front of them. Some people you can not convince. I learned that after a couple of years. I don't try to convince those people. People that want the help, and you offer it to them and say "yes, this might help" and it helps, they are happy as a lark. There is another group that will just constantly combat, combat, combat and they will prove to you that nothing is going to work.

Guest: Is there a program that will work past ( ) bipolar ( )

Jim: I was diagnosed manic depressive. I was on all kinds of really terrible medications, and was in the hospital several times. I was on lithium for 6 years which worked relatively well but with this I don't take any medication, don't need any medication. I sleep, I can maintain my status, I can be hyper if I want to, I can be very very deeply relaxed ( ). This has taught me how to manage the brain. This is a training tool. This does not undo conditions, so to speak.

Guest: But is there a program that will ( )

Jim: I don't believe it's that simple a thing, I mean if you talk, I've talked to medical people and I've told them my experiences, and I've had lots of ( ) experience. And their answer will be "well, how are you supressing the symptoms of your manic depressive illness?" I said "What?" I said "I don't have the manic depressive illness any more". "But that is impossible. We know that on page 342 this is what the thing is, you are going to be on medication the rest of your life and this is how it has to go. So." There is a belief system out there and that's what that is. So, if you are asking me is this a belief system now, that is a different question than saying "can you counter some of the problems that some of the manic depressive people bump into?" Yes, Yes, in my case I would be hyper all the time.

Jim: Hey Rick, how are you doing? Now there's a guy. My hero. We'll have to have Rick get in a word here too. We were just talking about manic depressive. The lady over here was asking about manic depressive and I was telling about my manic depressive episodes. Let me tell you a little bit about the troubles I have which will give you some indication of what this dealt with. In my case I would love to be in the hyper state. I could get so much more work done. I could achieve what 10 people would take to do ( ). In my hyper state. Unfortunately the body couldn't support that kind of metabolism and I would get sick. So I would run at this hyper rate for a week, and then put myself in the bed for 2 weeks. I would catch whatever , the first thing that was coming, flue, cold, sore throats, you name it, I would be the first to catch it and the last to get rid of it. So I would run at this pace. I couldn't hold a job. I got fired from every job. I was sick 35 percent of the time according to the official records, and it was worse than that. So I started my own company. Had people working for me. And I really worked hard for a week and find all kinds of tasks, and while I was sick they would be getting them done. So I worked a way around this. But still it was not a good way to live. And what I found in my case, the only thing in my case that was really really successful was drinking. And I would drink a bottle or a bottle and a half of scotch every night. That is amazing amount of alcohol. I would spend half my day in the bar. And there was nothing wrong in my life, I wasn't escaping from anything, I just needed to ( ) down. If I did this I would not get sick. So I would spend probably 4 or 5 or 6 hours in the bar every night. I would drink 6 or 8 scotches and then I would drive home before I got too drunk. Most people can't drink 1 or 2 drinks without being too drunk. But you get used to this after a while. And then I would go home and kill another half a bottle of this every night and this would help me sleep. I slept , I didn't get sick. The next day I felt like crap, and it would take half a day for me to become functional , from the morning until noon time before I was functional again. So, but I did this for many years. It worked. So alcohol works. As bad as the effects it has, and as bad as it is on the liver, and social problems, it does work.

Guest: ( ) right?

Jim: The synchronizer on program 52 or 54 produces the same effect as alcohol. The vascular dialation of the blood vessels, you get warm all over, can't remember what you are worried about, stress goes away, and it produces the first 2 or 3 drinks worth of results. OK. So what I would do then once I had this program, I would have to listen to this for many hours. I would listen for 4 or 5 hours a night. But I figured it was better than drinking, sitting in the bar all the time. And then it only took 2 hours, then it only took 1 hour, then it only took half an hour. And now I never listen to it anymore. This is a training tool, this is not something that you are stuck with or have to do all the time. I can run my life now without hardly ever listening. I have to be really up tight before I have to pick this up.

Guest: Do you have to concentrate when you did listen to it 4 hours at a time?

Jim: The relax mode shuts your brain off. That's the problem I had. That's what I couldn't do when I got myself into these hyper states, you get yourself really doing well, really performing all kinds of work, and afterwards the afterburners are going argggggg, you can't stop.

Guest: So we can do something else along with it like housework, or

Jim: Oh, you mean the relax mode? No, no no. You can lie down and go to sleep if you can. If it will put you to sleep it's worth a million bucks right then. No, you can have....

Guest: Don't have time you know...

Jim: Only takes half an hour, 20 minutes. You have time. Unless you are in a really serious state as I was, you play it just before you go to bed. It defuses the thoughts that you had running around. This nips in the bud these ( ). When I first developed this thing it helped me relax. It was very very effective. I really liked it. And all of a sudden a thought would come up and then I couldn't remember what that thought was. And I thought to myself I built a brain eraser here. It was really scary for you. I love the effect of it, but what if it wipes out everything I know. So next time I did it I started writing down every thing that came up quickly. And then I double checked to see if during the next week whether all those things were done. Well Tuesday night I took the garbage out, like always. I didn't have to remind myself every 5 minutes to take the garbage out. You start yourself with ( ) you can drive yourself nuts with that. It cuts that circulatory blood process out. It shuts down the worrywart mind. Everything was still stored in memory. Everything still came up at the appropriate time. But not every 5 minutes. Or every minute. That's what makes ( ) stress. So, it diffuses that. That is what a lot of people drink for. One drink you feel warm all over, you don't care, you relax, and it really helps. Unfortunately, the 3rd or 4th or 5th drink don't have the same results. So. Let me play this real quick, so you know what we are talking about here.

Evelynn: Let me say something here. I've used the synchronizer quite a bit and I've found that you can listen to the relax mode and function without conking out. When you first listen to it, it may take you right into an altered state of consciousness and klunk.....but, I think if you listen to it enough, you can function in those states. They have already proven you don't have to be asleep to be in delta and theta. And these programs can take you there and you can still be conscious. It may take a little bit of training to get you there but I find that generally speaking if I am using it like that I don't want to try and concentrate. If I need to concentrate I am going to be using the Up Modes. So...

Guest: So let's say you were piping it into a classroom, OK? Would that have to be a ( ) time for these kids? Or adults, or whatever, to just like have ( )

Evelynn: Yes, I think, I don't think you want to use those meditation programs when you are trying to get people to concentrate and focus. Just the opposite.

Jim: The relax mode is really designed to shut off the mind. What I like about it is that it shuts down the conscious mind, it shuts down the chattering monkey, all the things you take the meditation classes for - the TM, the mantras, the looking at the candles, those are all designed to get the conscious mind out of the way. To get the worry wart, the chattering monkey, to get to stop chattering. It is very difficult to do. It is very difficult to shut down the conscious mind, normally. People spend 10 to 20 years sometimes studying meditation to get to that state where the conscious mind is gone. This program is very effective with interfering with the conscious mind so that it goes away. That is the biggest power that it has. The school, the other question that you had. You want to use the Up Modes that stimulate the thinking and there are many kinds of learning disabilities....are you in the field? Is this your field?

Guest: Counselor...lots of different kinds of .....

Jim: There are different conditions that need to be dealt with differently. There isn't just one thing. In my opinion there are two distinct different kinds of problems in ( ). One is the slow reader, the autistic type of kid. And they are just the slow processor. They are really the luckier ones. Attention deficient disorder and the hyperkinetic concept. Getting slow kids to speed up to normal speed to quote normal speeds is really very easy. Takes three or four weeks of training with the synchronizer and they are now functioning normally. We had a kid who was autistic and was 7 years old and was being left back in the school, dropping him back a grade even though he was being tutored. After six weeks of using this device he scored 92 percentile in the comprehension testing. He got one of the highest grades in the class. OK. That's the slow learner that you speed up. That is a relatively easy thing to do. That is relatively easy to train one to go faster. The other kids have the problem of going way to fast. They are on 10, 20 subjects already before they finish the first one. Very very different problem. And they have tremendous capability, but then they wear themselves out by working to hard and working on ten other things ( ) and they look stupid because they don't get this project done. They are already thinking about l0 other things that are real exciting for them. But to get them to do this is very very difficult and then after awhile they wear themselves to a frazzle because they are working so hard that they can't function. And then a different problem comes, because they are brilliant, they know they are brilliant, but they can't do simple things. Then it becomes a psychological problem on top of the genetic or whatever problem. Then they start getting "This is too boring, oh I didn't want to do that, I could have done that if I wanted to". You know, it gets to be different than the psychological problem ( ) the usual problem. And then it becomes very difficult to deal with because these kids are fighting ( ) cause they are very brilliant usually. They are very bright. But they can't....for most kids the relax mode was very helpful to help shut them down. And you can't do this in the classroom. You have to get them to shut down at home, get some rest, recharge their batteries, and then they can function. Now what I have on here, I have written a program especially for those kinds of kids which is a pacing signal. It's an alpha frequency which is put, put, put, put which works as a pacing signal. Every time it goes click it brings them back from all the subjects back to here, and they function better because, it's like a metronome in a way. It's a pacing signal and keeps them here and now. So those two programs are very effective for that. At least from what I have seen from those kids, they are antagonistic already because everybody has been beating them up. And they think it's too easy, not worth trying, and have all kinds of excuses about doing this. So there are two distinct ways of handling those two things. They look the same sometimes.

Guest: ( )

Jim: I have to qualify it, OK. Dyslexia is one of these wide ranging subjects that covers A through Z. Everybody has a different opinion. I don't think this ( ) has any effect on the illness. But it helps kids work around it by speeding up their brain process. If they see a letter that is backwards and it doesn't make any sense, they have enough processing to go flipping it around and trying a different combination of letters until the word makes sense. So they can effectively read at normal speed at some point in time but they are in their mind flipping these things around until it makes sense. What I learned from my son, I can read backwards and upside down, which I could never do. But I find myself trying different...is that a P or is that a B? I find ( ) so you can read at reasonable speed while you are juggling the stuff around. So I think these kids get help from seeing that the processes helps work around it. Does that make sense?

Guest: Uh huh. I just wanted to ask you, do you understand music?

Jim: I studied music very very seriously when I was doing this research. And the interesting thing is that all music ( ) a minute, l20, 240, and someone writes music that is different than 60 it doesn't sell. If it is 70 or something slightly faster it won't sell. If slower it won't. There seems to be some kind of a break that we resonate with that seems to be close to the heartbeat. I presume that is where that comes from. All music that has survived the Baroque and classical music, is all the same beat structure. Very interesting. And I worked with music for awhile. I worked with drumming machines, and I worked with American Indian drumming trying to find the magic. And you are asking me some questions ( ) how did you get from here to there. And I've skipped over a lot of stuff. But I did a lot of research in the lab and what I've found is that you cannot jump start the brain and do a different speed real quickly. If you go too fast it just won't go there. But if you sneak up on it like the lobster that is put in cold water and then slowly start heating up, it doesn't realize what is going on ( ). The same with the mind, if you can sneak up on it, and it thinks you are going nice and easy. How fast can you run? Well you can run pretty fast if somebody is behind you with a pitchfork you can run a lot faster. Well, that's how the program works. It kind of pushes you very very slowly. The next thing you know you are going faster, and you don't know how that happened. Rick.....?

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